The GUS Daily Digest Saturday, 10 June 1995 Volume 23 : Number 010 Today's Topics: Loop points; become a programmer; flames KEEP YOU FUCKING PRIVATE DISPUTES OUT OF THE GUS-DIG!! Win95, NMI, etc. Dark Forces demo & GUS Re: Interwave Megaem v3.04B Dope demo That mega-em delete thing.... Radical emulator design: DOS4GW replacement? Too subtle for the masses... Re: The GUS Daily Digest V22 #37 win95 Damian,digest*containing suggestion* Re: Megaem v3.04B Ultima 8 IPLAY121 Re: Dark Forces Standard Info: - Meta-info about the GUS can be found at the end of the Digest. - Before you ask a question, please READ THE FAQ. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sam Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 11:01:02 +0100 (BST) Subject: Loop points; become a programmer; flames [Automatically setting/closing in on loop points] Work out the level at the end of the loop, and shift the place where it starts around to be at the same level. If there's a choice of points, work out the gradient at each point and find the closest one. Just an idea of how it probably works, I haven't tried it. [Becoming a programmer] Yep, the suggestion is, do some programming ;) If you want to be a business software programmer, just do a degree in whatever (like, comp.sci for instance) and then you can probably get trained - hell, there are LOADS of jobs going if you can do Visual Basic - but if you want to program games and stuff you'll have to learn how to do it yourself: in which case, get the pcgpe if you haven't already, the file is ftp://teeri.oulu.fi/pub/msdos/programming/gpe/pcgpe10.zip [Flames] Can we lose the flames please, keep them to private mail or /dev/null? I don't give a damn about them, except I have to scroll through the things. Sam (not a professional programmer! a lazy student!) ------------------------------ From: eraadr@scs.leeds.ac.uk Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 11:43:39 +0100 Subject: KEEP YOU FUCKING PRIVATE DISPUTES OUT OF THE GUS-DIG!! > From: emilr@ksnet.ksedb.no (Emil Rakoczy) > Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 22:40:04 +0100 > Subject: reply: Satan > > From: Bryan Maher > Date: Wed, 07 Jun 95 09:04:27 EDT > Subject: Re: Shitty digest and dumb returning > [lots of crap stuff deleted] The subject line says it all: KEEP YOU FUCKING PRIVATE DISPUTES OUT OF THE GUS-DIG!! I want to read about the GUS and not your hate-mail!!! (And don't try to justify yourself ther is NO excuse!) .-----------------< Arne Di Russo >-----------------. | Leeds, UK eraadr@scs.leeds.ac.uk | | Roma, Italy mc8189@mclink.it | `---------------------------------------------------' ------------------------------ From: Clarke Brunt Date: Fri, 09 Jun 1995 10:43:39 BST Subject: Win95, NMI, etc. >I have a question that someone here could answer. I have a GUS of pretty >early revision, and I wonder how and what do I need to attach a CD-ROM to >the connector on the GUS?? Is there any special sort of drive Mitsumi, Sony >or NEC that GUS works with? Please give me a hint on this one. Get any CDROM you like. If there is no interface on your GUS at all, then you have a free choice. The only advantage of using the interface on a soundcard is that you save a slot in the PC - no more, and no less. In any case, you need an audio cable going from the CD to the pins on the GUS if you want to pipe audio CDs through the GUS. >Is win95 going to support the GUS (MAX) ? Well it supports it now using the old drivers, so unless they screw it up by the time Win95 is properly released... >Win95 and the Ultrasound drivers run just fine on an NMI-less motherboard, >I'm using them now. Have you used SBOS, or the MIDI input port? These are the two components which were said to rely on NMI, but they aren't used by a great many GUSSERS. ------------------------------ From: Mark Woon Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 09:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Dark Forces demo & GUS Hi all. Can anybody tell me for sure if the Dark Forces demo work with the GUS? I've heard some say yes, but I've never gotten mine to work. I've tried sbos, megaem, the AIL drivers, everything I could think of, but all that happens is that it hangs my system... Any suggestions? P/S - to the guys that answered my System Shock question: thanks alot! *********************************************************************** Mark Woon * I have spoken! markwoon@princeton.edu * ASCII stupid question, get a WWW: http://www.princeton.edu/~markwoon * stupid ANSI. *********************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: eraadr@scs.leeds.ac.uk Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 12:08:11 +0100 Subject: Re: Interwave >> "Gravis pioneered the use of downloadable wavetable synthesizers on sound >> cards.[!] The Interwave IC is backward compatible with the GUS"> > > Yes, but the GUS is not UPWARD compatible with the IW. Unless of > course GF1 suddenly can address 16MB (megaBITS) of RAM and ROM. Sorry, but this seems unresonable, how could the GUS ever be upward compatible to the IW considering that the IW is a GUS in one chip with lots of additional features? BTW no Soundblaster card is upward compatible and some are even not completely downward compatible, so you really demand too much! >> Adlib and Sound Blaster EMULATION >> >> "SBOS [argghh!!] is an emulator providing backward compability with software >> written for FM synthesizers and digital audio protocol used on older first- >> and second-generation [SBpro?] sound cards." > > Me thinks SB 1.0 and SB 2.0, not SB Pro. I think it's quite clear, Adlib was the first generation and Soundblaster the second generation of soundcards for the PCs exactly as the quoted line says. BTW at first I was quite disappointed too by the fact that the IW doesn't emulate the SB by hardware but then I thought it's much better as IMHO the Interwave will be a big success, I expect several card manufacturers using it by the mid of next year at most, and many multimedia notebooks incorporating the smaller version of the IW (which supports just 1MB of RAM like the GUS), so almost all software will support it natively, and it's not that strange to suppose that it could become the new de facto standard on the PC like the OPL3 chip now... Anyone knows more details about the 8 (!!) effects processors incorporated which can be used simultaneously and assigned individually to each channel? I just have the two broschures from AMD the general one and the one for software developers, does anyone have somethink else, perhaps the software or harware developers toolkit described in those broschures? Anyone has used already the AMD evaluation soundcard with IW chip? Cheers, Arne .-----------------< Arne Di Russo >-----------------. | Leeds, UK eraadr@scs.leeds.ac.uk | | Roma, Italy mc8189@mclink.it | `---------------------------------------------------' ------------------------------ From: jim@redhill.demon.co.uk (jim halliday) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 1995 14:21:04 GMT Subject: Megaem v3.04B Having had some problems with Megaem I read in the G-List that it needs a revision3 or above Gus. How can you find out what revision it is (my card was bought about 18 months ago) and if my card is under revision 3 is there anything I can do about it? If not what does anybody reckon I do? Flog my Gus and get a Max or wait until the new wonder card comes along? Oh and finally what's special about Maxsbos. I though the only difference between the ultrasound and the Max was 16 bit recording and built in CD interfaces. - -- all the best, _____ | \__/ ames Halliday ( jim@redhill.demon.co.uk ) ------------------------------ From: Vince - IE - Experimental Mail Server Admin Acct Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 08:59:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Dope demo From: engineer@mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk (Ian Silvester) Old news I know, but could somebody in the States upload the Dope demo to a more accessible site than ftp.cdrom.com - I've been trying to download it on and off for a couple of months without success. If anybody's feeling really kind, my local server is mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk/incoming... Please mail me direct since I no longer subscribe to the list... Cheers, Yan. - ------------------------- -------------------------------------- Ian Silvester, Phone/Fax : +44 (0)1785 353348 Research Associate, EMail : engineer@mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk School Of Engineering, i.silvester@staffs.ac.uk Staffordshire University. "He dreams... while he's not sleeping" - The Chameleons - ------------------------- -------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: "Brian Hayes, Sierra Systems" Date: Fri, 9 Jun 95 09:19:50 PDT Subject: That mega-em delete thing.... To: GUS-GENE--INTERNET gus-general@gaia.u >To the guy who deleted mega304.zip in favour of mega304b.zip - >Are you positive you deleted the right one? I am pretty certain it was >mega304b.zip that was currupt. Yes, yes, yes! I downloaded them both, two different times to make sure I was correct. 304.zip WAS bad. I also downloaded 304b.zip again today, and again it worked like a charm. Of course I'm only talking about the EPAS site... cheers, Brian ------------------------------ From: rezaei@tristan.TN.CORNELL.EDU (Mohammad Ali Rezaei) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 95 13:06:53 EDT Subject: Radical emulator design: DOS4GW replacement? We're all familiar with GUS problems with protected mode games that don't support the gus directly (Magic Carpet, Bioforge, Theme Park,etc). Luckily, most of these games run with DOS4GW; probably because it's one of the few royalty free extenders. Now, there already exists a DOS4GW replacement (pmw116.zip). As I understand hardware I/O, it has to be handled specially by the extender. Can't gravis get the source for DOS4GW (I know rational software offers such a thing) or even pmw116 and add SB and GMIDI emulation to the extender itself? Does gravis read this list? can someone relay this message to the appropriate parties (especially the author of megaem)? -Mohammad P.S. I have no affiliation with rational or the author of pmw116. P.P.S you can get pmw116.zip from ftp://oak.oakland.edu:/SimTel/msdos/c/ ------------------------------ From: Bryan Maher Date: Fri, 09 Jun 95 15:50:12 EDT Subject: Too subtle for the masses... >Like it or not, I wont accept it again! I'm not shure if your brain is >developing in the same speed as your body probably is, cause there are some >major details that you have missed. The digest is a product made for us, the [ condensed for our sanity ] >EmilR AND >The subject line says it all: > KEEP YOU FUCKING PRIVATE DISPUTES OUT OF THE GUS-DIG!! >I want to read about the GUS and not your hate-mail!!! >(And don't try to justify yourself ther is NO excuse!) >.-----------------< Arne Di Russo >-----------------. >| Leeds, UK eraadr@scs.leeds.ac.uk | >| Roma, Italy mc8189@mclink.it | >`---------------------------------------------------' Obviously Gentlemen (the term hardly applies), my original subtlety was lost on the both of you. "who died and left you god?" was an attempt to remind a certain someone of what the rest of us call Netiquette, the kind art of net politics. There is no need for the attitude or profanity either of you are displaying and only demonstrates how juvenile either one of you are. Criticisms should be constructive not destructive. My request the EmilR tone down his attitude is no different than you, Arne, telling me to keep my hate mail out of the digest. I, however, chose not to profane. My apologies to the rest of the digest. Simply reminding, Satan ------------------------------ From: haydn@cix.compulink.co.uk (Haydn Evans) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 95 21:03 BST-1 Subject: Re: The GUS Daily Digest V22 #37 In-Reply-To: <199506080706.AAA24763@mail.nws.orst.edu> >I will backup my entire patch collection, and upload it to epas..... >Anyone interested?... Yeh, but how big a file will that be? Could you split it into smaller files if it end up humongus? ]-[aydn ------------------------------ From: emilr@ksnet.ksedb.no (Emil Rakoczy) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 20:48:28 +0100 Subject: win95 I just wonder if anyone know if there's going to be native GUS-support in win95. It's due out in august(24. I think) and I haven't read anything about it containing gus-sup. If not, gravis will have to write them on their own... when will they be ready? Thanks in advance, EmilR ------------------------------ From: emilr@ksnet.ksedb.no (Emil Rakoczy) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 20:48:15 +0100 Subject: Damian,digest*containing suggestion* Dear Damina. You have missed the point here. Someones mailserver reposted the whole digest so that the next version contained two similar digests in one. That's the chase here, and nobody liked it. Here's a suggestion that I saw a guy write in yesterday: Someone can write a script that blocks mail containing the word "repost" and which is longer than, say 50? lines. Then all reposts will be blocked. And when you're at it, the script could also delete one out of two identical mails. That would be quite nice. EmilR ------------------------------ From: Ferdinand Mataragnon Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 14:06:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Megaem v3.04B On Fri, 9 Jun 1995, jim halliday wrote: > Having had some problems with Megaem I read in the G-List that it > needs a revision3 or above Gus. How can you find out what revision > it is (my card was bought about 18 months ago) and if my card is under The revision number is printed on the card. O----------------------------------o--------------------------O | Ferdinand Mataragnon | Fidonet: 1:153/7101 | | mataragn@freenet.vancouver.bc.ca | 1:153/733 | | e3140016@bcit.bc.ca | 1:153/951 | o-----------------------------o----o--------------------------o | Running at WARP speed, now! | SPACE RESERVED FOR FUTURE USE | O-----------------------------o-------------------------------O ------------------------------ From: "Aric Cyr" Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 23:31:42 +0000 Subject: Ultima 8 Well I know it all been covered, but is there anyway to get digital sound with ultima 8 for the GUS? I got the music patch but I'd rather like digital. Any help appreciated, just e-mail me. Aric Cyr - acyr@you.wincom.net Windsor, Ontario, Canada - --==(UDIC)==-- Septor Dragon ------------------------------ From: "Timothy L. Jensen" Date: Fri, 09 Jun 1995 22:19:16 MST Subject: IPLAY121 Is the latest (1.21) version of Inertia Player on the Gravis FTP sites free from virii? I assume that the file would have been removed if it contained a virus. However, my system was just infected by NYB and the NATAS.BOOT virii and because IPLAY121 is my most recent download (and because it DOES advise not to use the "virus infected CD version") I'm a bit suspicious it could be the blame. Any info about this? - -Tim Jensen .===================#==================================================. [ --+-- o +. .+ [\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ ] [ | | \/ | [-\-----\-----\-----\-----\-----\-----\-----\-----\] [ | | | | [ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ ] `===================#=[ Home Page: http://east.pima.edu/~tjensen/ ]====' ------------------------------ From: lala@interaccess.com (Imre Olajos) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 01:19:04 -0500 Subject: Re: Dark Forces Hi, This message is for Marty Danko: I have Dark Forces running on my GUS Max/Mitsumi FX400 CD-ROM without a hitch! I really didn't do anything, I just said install, then I played... Email me if You have further questions, I may help, since I got it working without playing around with my config. Imre OLAJOS, Jr. (LaLa) WWW :http://www.interaccess.com/users/lala (under HEAVY construction) Email:lala@interaccess.com Internet Phone: LaLa ___ __o U.S.A. 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